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THE VOICE OF THE COMPUTER IN "2001"
" Of course it isnt any of youre business, Stephen !!!, Yore not a Celebrity "...
Posted by: skinner at March 24, 2005 08:13 PM (fiiCB)
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I wanted to post a comment here last night but it would've taken too long. (Long days 'n' short nights 'n' all.) I want to post a comment tonight but it ain't coming to me. So, instead (just 'cause I'm curious about you think or - don't think - about this case), I'll ask a question:
Why not?
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 25, 2005 05:42 PM (W/beH)
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I know mine wasnt the opinion you where looking for spork but Im giving it anyway
My brother has juv. diabetes his eyes are bad and he said if he goes blind hell kill himself , I know if that happens hell chang his mind cause if he doesnt Ill kill him, Doctors pretend to know everything from reading brainwaves but are proven wrong over and over
Tons of money is spent by taxpayers keeping terminal convicts alive in our prisons
medical science and every other type of science and tecnology is expanding ata phenominal rate .
What is this all abought... Money??? Id pay an extra 26 cts a year if I lived in Florida to pay her rent and food expences wouldnt you ? just in case she s been misdiagnosed and her circuits can be turned back on much stranger things have happened this is all about money and unfortunately she cant speak for herself even though she might want to . people that have snapped out of commas have remebered loved ones visiting and spoken of the frustration of being unable to communicate I sure as hell wouldnt pull her plug If christopher reeves had fallen into this condition I dont think he wouldve wanted to be given up on either just my opinion because......I can....... but Im not a celebrity
Posted by: skinner at March 25, 2005 08:45 PM (fcSS9)
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BUT ON THE OTHER HAND Im not a relation to her I really cant acess her state of affairs ... So stephens probably right when he says Its NONE OF MY F...ING BUSINESS I JUST WISH HE WOULDNT CURSE SO MUCH Its not like hes a celebrity or something after all
Posted by: skinner at March 25, 2005 10:54 PM (fcSS9)
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Im sure your sick of me now butt this shivo deal just came up for debate right after my last post the Quinlin case came up she survived for 8 years after most doctors said shed die alnost immediatly after the reperator was removed Shivo will die from heart arytmia ending in cardiac arrest from dehydration whether or not shes suffering only she knows my truck broke down on the Snake river where I was fisjing alone In 1972 I walked to the highway aprox, ^ miles with no water it was about 90 degrees I got to the road and there was all kinds of traffic my throat was sticking to itself I was hithhiking but everone was passing me by I finally got in the road and flaired my arms these two guys thought I was nuts I told them my story and drank a gallon of theyre water the oint being dieng of thirst is not fun these peopl are totturing her because they dont have the balls to give her a lethal dose of something and get it over with isnt this akin to torture?
Posted by: skinner at March 25, 2005 11:41 PM (fcSS9)
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Spork,
This is a matter for the family to decide. Barring any documented instructions from the patient if they cannot agree then the court should step in. That politicians don't like the court's ruling shouldn't really matter. The fact that there is little clear law in the matter speaks to legislative failure on the part of those who have not created law on the matter but have instead sat back and complained about the judiciary doing so.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 26, 2005 03:17 AM (U3CvV)
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Yea I really dont know what brought it to this point I think shes been like this for 8 yrs or so Is there some kinda time limit or something [ if no improvement is seen] ?. I heard some guy on the pro {plug yanking] side today saying she looked more at peace then she ever had Arent these the same people who said She isnt there at all ? The sad part is the parents dont want it Im as sick of this subject as you are of, reading my comments on it , ..sorry and may she REST IN PEACE!!!
Posted by: skinner at March 26, 2005 06:28 PM (Qv1Ye)
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I'm a 30yr old woman and i have a mild case of cereble polsicy and i know how hard it is just to
get up and the morning and face this world..
Yes sometimes i want to die but most of the time
i just want to fit in.What they are doing to Terri
Schaivo is sick and crule.She did not ask for what
has happened to her she is trying to fight to live
and for that she makes me stronger.I will never forget her no matter what happeneds cause she has touched my heart.
Posted by: serena at March 30, 2005 07:41 AM (Yprzh)
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This is everyone's business. I have been a Registered Nurse for more than 20 years and I can't believe I live in a country where we are allowed by the courts to starve someone to death. What a cruel and painful thing to do. It is not for any of us to judge what her quality of life may or may not be. Life is given by God alone. I pray for Terri and her family and I hope Michael Schiavo's "guardian" will be much more merciful to him should the need ever arise.
I am ashamed of my president and the judicial system in this country but I know that they will ultimately face God. Lucky for them God will be merciful even though they have failed to be merciful to Terri.
Posted by: pittgrad1203 at March 30, 2005 03:31 PM (2MuyN)
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I haven't posted at this site in sometime but I feel the need to vent my feelings as all of you, have. My heart just rips apart every time I see Terri's parents on TV and I find it utterly appalling that no one is doing anything and by that I mean walking straight up to the presidents office in droves and saying to Mr. Bush, You cared so much about the lives and welling being of those in Iraq yet you have not the stomach to step in and help this poor girl and her family. I ask myself why? why? WHY? Won’t they do anything and that is because the man who sits in the white house cares less for you, me and Terri than he does for the money that is to be made in Iraq. He has the power and the opportunity to make precedence here but he won't. Let Terri and her family alone and let them live in peace. Obviously her husband has moved on then why does he not let her just go. He is a vicious, self centered, little man with no respect for life even in its most helpless form. I agree with pittgrad1203 I am disgusted that I live in a country where people would allow just a travesty to happen.
Posted by: Corey at March 30, 2005 06:30 PM (iLPwJ)
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I am amazed at the number of people who say they are angry ashamed or disgusted at this country because the President or the Governor of Florida have not stepped in and taken over.
They are obeying the law. If they took such a dictatorial action on an issue you opposed you would all be screaming for their heads.
It's called the rule of law. If you don't like the way it works, work to change the law.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 30, 2005 06:40 PM (U3CvV)
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I agree Stephen that the law needs changing but for Terri's cause it is going to be too late and I believe that is what her parents have been trying to do. But you can't get a law through that our government is unwilling and unwanting to participate in. It takes a movement of people to change the laws and that is what has been happening in Florida now for the past several weeks but congress, the courts and the white house want nothing to do with it. So how do we get a law passed that no one in government is willing to touch? Yes it looks like from the outside Jeb and George have tried their best, but I don’t believe so just my opinion I uphold advance directives I have one myself but where there is none such given in this case the benefit of life should be the norm. Why is it so difficult for her husband to let go why he can’t just accept the fact that her parents want to take care of her. If it is true she feels nothing, then her understanding of life by herself cannot be comprehended and in this case I defer to her parents. Granted it is for their benefit only as I can see them having a hard time letting her go that is obvious but the case is still heart breaking none the less especially if you but yourself in the place of the parents. It may seem selfish of them but one can understand their need to hang on after all it is only human. About not believing that I live in a country where this could happen is only a reference to the fact that we supposedly live in a country where life comes first and all other is secondary. In the courts of law if Terri's husband where to say that it was just a promise he is keeping and this was being decided by a jury a judge would have to direct the jury to ignore his statements as hear say and nothing less it's his word against hers and she cannot speak.
Posted by: Corey at March 30, 2005 08:04 PM (iLPwJ)
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And again to further elaberate hear say in any court in this country is non addmissable so why the double standard here one persons word against anothers who cannot speak. No advance directive so why not err on the side of life. I don't know the answer to this battle but I hope the country and those watching learn from this and see the importance of being a participant in changing the laws and making sure that those we elect our working for us and our goals and not their own agendas. It is most deffinately a wake up call for those who are listening.
Posted by: Corey at March 30, 2005 08:08 PM (iLPwJ)
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HES BAAAACCK !!!!!! and you thought I was the THING that wouldnt leave ........... ps Id like to Know who ordered the feeding tube removed Ive just have been commenting blindly . Your absolutley right Do you want a president that breaks the law overides State laws etc this is what Gore tried to do after he lost in Florida and Kerry was tying to do. If they had won some of you people would have got what you seem to want... dictators , enforcing your morality left and right Oregon has a right to die law I voted for it its a totally different thing because you have to be concience to exercise it Alot people are bent out of shape over it this is truly a case of its none of your business. Im in no position to judge this other case but I wouldnt be the one to play god and neither should any one else regardless of what side your on
Posted by: skinner at March 30, 2005 09:40 PM (rvmEE)
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I meant to put this in my last post but spaced it This Terry nightmare is more than enough reason for me to have gotten paperwork for a living will . and Im a flake when it comes to responcible ,business matters, being single without kids. It doesnt matter if you get in a situation like this soebody is gonna be stuck with either the bill or the decision or both I dont want to put this on anyone . In my case I dont want any extreme measures at all , You may want the exact oppisate It doesnt matter without something written we get these kinda situations Its the same as having DONOR on your drivers lisence if you want it shit has to be in writing
Posted by: skinner at March 30, 2005 09:58 PM (rvmEE)
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What did it cost to keep life in that poor woman's body? Granted, she may be completely unaware of what is going on around her, but who are we to decide if she has the right to be alive. If she had a living will in which she proclamed her unwillingness to survive if it required her to be attached to a feeding tube, then it would at least have been her decision. But... to force her to die by the ACT of denying her food and water is tantamount to murder. Who of us has the right to play God? Who has the right to decide if helpless human beings deserve death?
Oh, I'm sorry... isn't that just what the abortionists do? Helpless, unborn children are killed for the "convenience" of an adult, just as Ms Shaivo was killed, willfully, by deprivation of food and water. If a pre-schooler were killed by starvation or dehydration, the outcry demanding that justice be served would be enormous, yet we hear countless self-serving liberals expressing anger and outrage that anyone would have the audacity to call her death "murder." Let's call it just that, "MURDER." She was not an accomplice to her killing, she did not remove her own (sewed-in, permanently attached) feeding tube. If, as the proponents of her death claim, she was completely out of the picture, mentally, then where is the difference between her, and countless other brain-damaged individuals who are cared for in this country simply because they ARE HUMAN BEINGS?
What is the next step? Will we condone the murder of the mentally retarded simply because they also require more care than most? What about the physically handicapped? What then? Someone who has a bad day at work? What about your mother and father, just because they have become old and/or decrepid?
What do you say, when you face your Maker, and He demands to know, by what criteria do you have the right to decide who has the greater right to life? Perhaps those who support "Death by Convenience" will find that countless millions who are helpless have far the greater "Right to Life," simply do to their helplessness!
We see that the pope has a similar problem, and requires a feeding tube, as well. I thank God he is not being cared for in this country, and subject to the whims of such a bloodthirsty pack of hyenas, as was Ms Shaivo.
Now she is dead. The stain of responsibility for her murder is upon us all. Seldom have I ever been so ashamed of this country. Those directly responsible for her murder will be held accountable, if not in this world, then the next! For the love of God, people, can you not see that the killing of the weak and helpless is wrong? As it says in Matthew; "...were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he drowned in the depth of the sea."
A special place in hell awaits...
Posted by: Mike at March 31, 2005 12:04 PM (W0Qi5)
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I JUST WANT TO SAY GOD BLESS TERRI SHAIVO. NOW SHE IS SAFE. EVEN THOUGH SHE DIDNT DESERVE TO PASS AWAY. I DONT KNOW THIS WOMEN PERSONNALY. BUT WATCHING ON TV AND READING ABOUT HER. IVE PRAYED FOR HER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I DONT THINK IT WAS RIGHT FOR HER HUSBAND TO DO WHAT HE DID. IT DONT MAKE SINCE. BUT ONLY GOD KNOWS IF IT WAS WRONG OR NOT. I GUESS THINKING WHAT I WOULD DO WITH MY SPOUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. I COULDNT DO IT. I WATCHED THIS STORY ON MY NEWS CHANNEL ABOUT THIS GUY WAS IN THE SAME SHAPE AS HER. IT TOOK HIM AWHILE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AD HE FINALLY SPOKE AND SAID HE WANTED TO LIVE.HE SLURRED AT HIS SPEECH BUT THEY UNDERSTOOD. MIRCLES HAPPEN. AND NOW NOW I FEEL SHE NEVER HAD A CHANCE. THE ONLY MIRCLE SHE GOT. WAS GOD AND JESUS CAME DOWN AND LIFTED HER UP TO THEM AND NOW SHE IS SAFE.LIKE I SAID GOD BLESS HER AND THE MEMORY OF GETTING TO KNOW HER I WILL AND OTHERS WONT FORGETT. EVERY YEAR ON THIS DAY WE SHOULD LIGHT A CANDLE. I DO FOR ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS AND IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. AND MAKES ME FEEL THEY ARE STILL AROUND. FOR ALL THAT WATCHED AND READ PRAY FOR HER AND THANK GOD SHE IS SAFE NOW. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PUT MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.AGAIN GOD BLESS TERRI
Posted by: carmill at March 31, 2005 05:52 PM (yapfk)
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Yes indeed I am back and stick to the subject. This is not about you and me this is about a woman whom is now at peace thank God and about a families grief now that their daughter is gone. Just stick to that and offer up some kind of prayer for them and leave the bashing outside of the forum. God bless Terri and her Family.
Posted by: Corey at March 31, 2005 06:41 PM (iLPwJ)
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1st off may terry be in peice now you maybe read my above comments and know I havent passed judgement but I remain Wondering Why ??? Its too bad every injustice in this country doesnt get this sort of press Youre neighbor most likely is a child molester keep your eyes open and your kids safe The president of the Boy Scouts Is a pediphile this took how many years to figure out?? some people some people are disgusted to live in this country that would let this sort of thing that happened to terry ...happen I would send them to a better country of there choice but there arent any I didnt like it either but I dont know who to blame and Im not so stupid asto blame George W Bush when youre a stupid liberal you think the president should be Like King George remember the TEA party IDIOTS the REVELUTIONARY WAR We have are problems and I beleive people like you are the biggest obstacle If youre so disgusted to live in this country {ARMAGEDDON} I suggest taking youre Sanctimonious holier than though dumbshit blabber mouth scribblings alon with your ass and the Baldwin Bros. shawny Penn Rosy Odonnel ETC and packing your ,respective shit for a lifetime vacation in IRAN OR SYRIA But be carefull I suspect your GAY ALONG WITH ROSIE better go to FRANCE dont forget to write
Posted by: skinner at April 02, 2005 12:25 AM (QqpTI)
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Mike this is the good revskinbottom The one that put an end to the Kerry lies blog .... Hey Im sure sorry about that but I got to passionate about it you can understand I know Im sorry we never took the Celeberatory
Bush wins trip to rio DE but I did my own celebrating and it was a many splendered thing I really must say Hey I know you live out in the boonies and youre an ex military or r law enforcement guy with a huge Passion for the mentally challenged [ having worked with them}
I have the otter most respect for you so its hard for me to say this Try to NOT let this shit Knaw on you We still have the best most Spiritualy correct { if you will] Country on the Earth despite all our faults Its a work in progress that some people are trying to derail we cant let them do it 150 years ago we had slavery now we have to listen to rap We can overcome Motown will return bless youre family and thanks Stephen
Posted by: skinner at April 02, 2005 01:09 AM (cHHMb)
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As I said Skinner leave the slander and fowl language outside the forum. This is not about you or I it's about changing laws and goverment and making one's wishes known. If Every politician in this country had all come together Demo's and Repub's alike maybe Terri would still be here today. Why can't you just be cival and show some respect. I have tried with you time and again and to no avail. I wont say anything further but if you cannot remain on topic and let those here express their opinions as they moderator allows then please and least keep the fowl language of the board. God be with Terri and God bless the Pope.
Posted by: Corey at April 02, 2005 06:01 PM (iLPwJ)
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Pullet faced, poultry neck, chicken gizzard ,goose stepping ,liberals like armmegoden think this is "FOWL LANGUAGE " AND SLANDER go back to youre AL FRANKEN mutual buttkissing Im more politically correct than you GIRLY MAN POST OR I WILL TAUNT YOU A SECOUND TIME!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: skinner at April 02, 2005 07:47 PM (85I1+)
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Skinner,
You're reverting to old bad habits and I would prefer that we don't go down that road again. Deleting comments and banning IP addresses is really not how I want to spend my time.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at April 03, 2005 03:05 AM (U3CvV)
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I agree stephen and apologize also but you must understand I was accused of using "FOWL"
language and slander { Can you file suit against someone falsely accuseing you of SLANDER ? } and If so would it come under the term of Slander V.S. Slander { hey there might be a movie here}, But what bothers me more than anything is this "FOWL" language allegation I am Inoccent until proven guilty in every state of our GREAT NATION . Isnt a FOWL BUT a bird? , after all? So should I whistle or coo outload Towards the birdies..... THEN I SHOULD BE CHASTISED AND EMBARRASESED IN front of 100s of my PEERS? How can this have gotten to this point in a free america I suppose that when I wake up To gr4eet the early dawning and clasp my hands together and blow the ever familiar...HOO ... HOO-HOO.........HOO HOO LOVELEY call of the AMERICAN DOVE ILL get hauled off by ARMEGEDONS KIND and thrown in a dark cell for excercising my freedom of speech be it FOWL OR OTHERWISE
Posted by: skinner at April 03, 2005 06:58 PM (QqpTI)
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Skinner I have given you my email address twice now from the other kerry post. Your are more then welcome to use it to say what you like too me and use whatever language you wish with out offending other post memembers on this website. Your freedom of speech is not being detered in any such mannor as the moderater has specific guidelines. You have reverted to name calling and swearing which is not necessary here. If you wish to do so and discuss with me alternative language use my email address. Otherwise please stay civil and I ask to remain on topic. Thank you.
Posted by: Corey at April 05, 2005 08:27 PM (iLPwJ)
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Now to my post. In this world where it seems that everyday brings just yet another travesty and tragedy first Terri and to those whom are catholic the death of a man revered by many a nation Pope John the II. I wish we could all remain so graceful and show such strength in times like these. I do LOVE my Country and I know how blessed I am that I was born in such a country that blogs like these can take place. I referring to altering the law in which it was too late for Terri I cannot foresee any politician willing to take up this cause. My reference to hear say was an exact clause used in our courts of law that one cannot and will not be tried my such, IE Hear Say. So why did the courts in Terri's cause allow err on the part of hear say on her husband part that hence was remembered 7 years later. I think and believe he had something against Terri's parents and was being a pig head just to get back at them for whatever reason, just my thoughts. But alas it is to late for Terri and the cause reviewing such laws which at last there is no such clear directive and with no politician willing to allow anyone other than the courts to determine ones right at death where no directive is clearly stated, my question is whom do we turn too.
Posted by: Corey at April 05, 2005 08:38 PM (iLPwJ)
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Corey I dont Know who you are I was commenting to Armegeddon the self-appointed religious Zealot [do you know him?] I think he Is right in the way he thinks , but his self rightiousness is so annoying to me that I have to say " BLOW IT OUT YOURE ASS " , Granted thats probably not an appropriate responce ,BUT it makes me feel better, Listen to me please We, alot of us are all deeply saddenened by Terris death , however we havent watched her for 8 years have we? My mother just died at 83 she had diabetes {adult onset] and her kidney failed she had expressed to all of us that she didnt want Dialysas but when it came down to the last days and she was unable to speak for herself We all said put her on dialysis it didnt work and sha died . My point being untill its right in your face you dont Know !!! My mother might be mad at us know we might have made her suffer more But if so, I know were forgiven because she would have done the same thing had it been one of us As far is where do you turn too in terris case first off dont expect politicians in high places to over step theyr boundaries I know they do it in execution situations but they didnt do it in this case for some {behind the scenes reason] Dont blame Bush Dont blame congress If you want to blame somebody blame a slow INEPT judicial system Where everyone doesnt have the balls to act PLUSS they put it on someone else that doesnt have any Balls either { GET USED TO IT CORY THERES MORE TO COME}
Posted by: skinner at April 06, 2005 11:43 PM (l35ua)
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I suppose skinner that was what I was trying to refer too. Is whom do we blame like all things political judges are usual appointented unless they are of course running for district attorney and even still thats not a judge but thats as close as we get to electing judicial memembers. But if we don't blame those whom we elected into office to oppoint people with rational views instead of radical ones then what are we too do? It is those memebers we elect as governers, senators, and Presidents all alike that need I think a spanking if nothing else. We as americans shouldn't have to get used to it, is I guess what I am saying and you are indeed right not one person has the balls excuse the french but they don't, that I agree with you on. This Country is so overwhelmed with it's own person to person, personal needs, debts and concerns that when something like Terri's case is highlighted, to me it's like something is saying. HEY AMERICA WAKE YOUR BIG BUTTS UP AND DO SOMETHING. I hope your not right in saying we should get used to it becasue that means we are losing our civil liberties and that burns my butt.
Posted by: Corey at April 07, 2005 10:07 AM (iLPwJ)
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